aha jo jetzt habe ich es gelesen

@DoS: eigentlich hatte ich das schon da stehen habs aber wieder gelöscht weils mir zu offensichtlich erschien...naja nächstes mal lass ich alles stehen

so neue Frage:

Woher stammt der Begriff Foo-Fighter, und was wurde damit bezeichnet?

Foo fighter bedeutet UFO. UFO ist eine Band, in der Jason Bohnam spielte.

NÖ totalausfall! *lol*

Naja, ich hab da was gefunden, aber das hat auch irgendwas mit "UFOs" zu tun.. Nur nicht mit einer Band

http://www.artemodus.de/cars/100Jahre.htm

Die "Foo-Jäger" dürften wohl die bekannteste Ufo-Erscheinung vor dem einschneidenden Roswell-Zwischenfall von 1947 gewesen sein. Woher der Name "Foo-Fighter" wirklich stammt, ist nicht sicher geklärt, könnte aber dem damals in England sehr populären Comic "Smokey Stover" entlehnt sein, in dem der Spruch "Where there is foo, there's fire" (Wo foo ist, ist auch Feuer) sehr häufig vorkam.
Es gab Gerüchte unter den Alliierten, daß die Deutschen oder die Japaner eine neue Waffe entwickelt hätten, um die Zündsysteme von Bombern zu zerstören. Beschrieben wurde diese "Waffe" als Feuerkugeln, welche plötzlich vom Boden her auftauchten und die Flugzeuge teilweise kilometerweit in einem engem Abstand begleiteten.
Aus der Nacht vom 23. auf den 24. November 1943 berichtete beispielsweise ein Leutnant Schlueter von der 415. Night Fighter Squadron, daß er von "zehn kleinen rötlichen Feuerkugeln" belästigt worden sei, als er über den Rhein flog. Im Gegensatz dazu sahen die Piloten Henry Giblin und Walter Cleary in der Nacht vom 27. September 1944 in der Nähe von Speyer "ein riesiges brennendes Licht", das mit etwa vierhundert Stundenkilometer über ihrem Flugzeug flog.

Die Feuerkugeln richteten keinen unmittelbaren Schaden an, sollen aber angeblich einige Flieger zum Absturz gebracht haben. Man munkelte auch von psychologischer Kriegsführung seitens der Deutschen, um die feindlichen Piloten zu irritieren und dadurch ihre Flugzeuge zum Absturz zu bringen. Ob sie jedoch wirklich ursächlich dafür verantwortlich waren, konnte letztlich niemand mit Sicherheit behaupten.
Auch muß es als zweifelhaft angesehen werden, daß es sich wirklich um eine Geheimwaffe der Deutschen gehandelt hat, denn auch deutsche Piloten bezeugten in den Kriegsjahren 1943/44 diese seltsamen Feuerkugeln. Sowohl die Briten als auch die Deutschen sollen jeweils eine eigene Stelle eingerichtet haben, um dieses Phänomen zu untersuchen. Dort verfolgte man die Thesen, daß es sich um Elmsfeuer, Kugelblitze oder schlicht und einfach Einbildung der Piloten aufgrund der extrem angespannten Situation gehandelt hat; aber zumindest die letzte These ist zweifelhaft, da die Leuchtkugeln teilweise von mehreren Personen über Flugzeugverbänden gesichtet wurden. Auch wurden sie nicht nur über dem europäischen Kriegsschauplatz gesichtet, sondern ebenfalls über Sumatra. Captain Alvah M. Reida von der 486th Bomb Group flog mit einem B-29 Bomber von Ceylon los, um Palmenberg auf Sumatra zu bombardieren und die bereits angerichteten Zerstörungen der vor ihm fliegenden Bomber zu fotografieren. Sein Bericht lautete:

"... Unsere Flughöhe betrug 4.200 Meter und die angezeigte Fluggeschwindigkeit ungefähr 340 Kilometer pro Stunde. Im Hauptzielgebiet waren wir sporadischem Flakfeuer ausgesetzt, das aber sofort aufhörte, nachdem wir dieses Gebiet verlassen hatten. Ungefähr zwanzig oder dreißig Minuten später meldeten der rechte Bordschütze und der Kopilot ein seltsames Objekt, das mit uns in ungefähr 460 Metern Entfernung von der Steuerbord-Tragfläche Schritt hielt. Aus dieser Entfernung erschien es als ein kugelförmiges Objekt von vielleicht 1,5 oder 1,8 Metern Durchmesser, in leuchtendem und intensivem Rot oder Orange. ... Der Bordschütze berichtete, daß es aus einer Position von fünf Uhr auf unsere Höhe stieg. Es schien ständig zu beben oder zu vibrieren. In der Annahme, daß es eine Art funkgesteuertes Objekt sei, das geschickt wurde, um mit uns Schritt zu halten, machte ich Ausweichmanöver und änderte ständig die Richtung um bis zu 90° und die Höhe um ungefähr 600 Meter. Acht Minuten lang folgte es jeder unserer Bewegungen und hielt sein Position in 460 Metern Entfernung und einem Winkel von ungefähr zwei Uhr zum Flugzeug. Dann machte es plötzlich eine 90°-Wendung, beschleunigte blitzschnell und verschwand in der geschlossenen Wolkendecke. ... Während der Angriffsauswertung und Anhörung nach dem Einsatz gab ich einen detaillierten Bericht an den Geheimdienst ab, da ich dachte, es handele sich um einen neuen Typ funkgesteuerter Raketen oder Waffen."

Das Phänomen der Foo-Fighter konnte bis heute nicht geklärt werden. Eine Ähnlichkeit mit irgendwelchen bekannten irdischen Fluggeräten kann man nicht feststellen. Von ihren Beschreibungen her erinnern sie jedoch an Explosionserscheinungen des Flakfeuers, das sicherlich einen tiefen Eindruck bei den Bomberbesatzungen hinterlassen hat. Falls hier eine Verwechslung vorgelegen hat, so bliebe allerdings die kilometerlange Begleitung offen.
Erwähnenswert ist der Umgang der Öffentlichkeit mit diesem Thema. Der Respekt vor deutschen Geheimwaffen und der gleichzeitige Nutzen der Lichterscheinungen für die eigene Militärpropaganda führte sofort dazu, den Feind zu bezichtigen. Und obschon die Möglichkeit einer Bedrohung durch eine außerirdische Zivilisation den Menschen in der damaligen Zeit nicht fremd war, wie die Reaktion auf Orson Wells' Hörspiel 1938 zeigte, so waren die Feuerbälle nicht substantiell genug, um das Machwerk Außerirdische dahinter zu vermuten. Im Gegensatz dazu hätte man in der heutigen Zeit überhaupt keine Probleme mit der Vorstellung, Besuch von ätherischen Wesen, Lichtwesen oder anderen nichtmateriellen Erscheinungen zu erhalten.

Ja das lass ich mal so gelten...

hier mal nen interresanten Text über das "Phänomen"
der is zwar lang aber sau informativ...

    
Nazi Flying Saucers:
Foo Fighters and the Kugleblitz

We, because of the infinitesimal size of the Universe, can
quite easily say that the probability of the Earth being the only
planet inhabited by intelligent beings is not logical. However,
while there is research going on today in order to prove the
existence of extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) by listening in
on the radio waves of space, I wonder; have we been contacted
already? Is there something in the UFO phenomenon that proves
the existence of extraterrestrials? Let's look at the facts.

Thousands of people from all around the world report the
sightings of strange aerial phenomenon every year. It has been
going on for many years, but not as much as from 1947 to present.
Due to the fact that so many people have seen objects in the sky
that they can't identify, we could at least admit that there is
sufficient reason to believe that UFO's exist. We can't
scientifically prove their existence just based on that fact but
we can't ignore it either. So our next logical step would be to
get more data.

Is the origin of all UFO's extraterrestrial? Is there a
possibiliy that at least some may come from Earth and Earth
technology? The answer to that question is yes, some are Earth
originated. People can easily mistake a plane or helicopter
flying at night as a UFO and have already. Some even thought that
Venus was one. However, while most UFO's could be explained,
there are an astonishing number of reports that cannot. They
include reports from people such as police chiefs, scientists,
pilots, and most interestingly, astronauts. There is plenty of
information publically available that is reputable about details
of their encounters.

Our next step should be to concentrate on these unexplainable
sightings. Out of these, is it still possible that the objects
could come from Earth? Dr. Renato Vesco thought so. In his book
"Intercept UFO," he writes about his experience and information
with Nazi Germany. I am going to include a paper written by him
but first let me tell you his credentials.

Renato Vesco is a fully liscensed aircraft engineer and a
spe***please notify moderator / bitte melden***t in aerospace and ramjet developements. He attended
the University of Rome and, before WWII, studied at the German
Institute for Aerial Developement. During the war, Vesco worked
with the Germans at the Fiat Lake Garda secret installations in
Italy. In the 1960's, he worked for the Italian Air Ministry of
Defense as an undercover technical agent, investigating the UFO
mystery.

Page 1

He writes:

"On November 27, 1944, a B-27 of the United States Air Force,
returning from a raid on Speyer, West Germany, encountered a
huge, orange colored light moving upward at an estimated speed
of 500 MPH. When the pilots reported, sector radar had
reported negatively, because nothing had registered on the
screen.

But the object seen by the returning bomber was only the first of
numerous others spotted by American pilots over wartime Germany
and promptly baptized 'foo-fighters.'

Fighter pilots Falls and Backer, of the 415th Squadron,
reported such an encounter a month later forcing the Air Force to
admit that such objects might exist. Later encounters with foo
fighters led experts to assume they were German inventions of a
new order employed to baffle radar.

How close they came to the truth, they learned only when the
war was over and Allied Intelligence teams moved into the secret
Nazi plants. The foo-fighters seen by American pilots were only a
minor demonstration, a fraction of a vast variety of methods used
to confuse radar and interrupt electro magnetic currents.

Work on the German anti-radar Feurball, or fireball, had been
speeded up during the fall of 1944 at a Luftwaffe experimental
center near Oberammergau, Bavaria. There, and at the aeronautical
establishment at Weiner Neustadt, the first fireballs were
produced. Later, when the Russians moved closer to Austria, the
workshops producing the fireballs were moved to the Black Forest.

Fast and remote controlled, the fireballs, equipped with
klystron tubes operating on the same frequency as Allied radar,
which could eliminate the blips from radar screens. This allowed
them to remain practically invisible to ground control.

The Nazi Feurball failed to interfere with the Allied air
offensive. The foo fighters had been launched too late and could
no longer change the course of events, but in themselves they were
significant not only because they were the outcome of a technical
evolution which could have led to more dangerous weapons, but also
because they showed that Nazi technology had moved in a direction
far beyond anything expected by Allied Intelligence.

As the fall of Germany approached, the Nazi Leaders reverted
to an ambitious project created by Gauleiter Franz Hofer who had
become high commissioner for the Italian Tyrol and the Southern
Alps. The project foresaw setting up an incredible fortress in
the mountains, including parts of Italy, Austria and Bavaria.

Hofer submitted his plan to .....'s aide, Martin Bormann in
November 1944, having prepared for this moment back in 1938 when
Nazi agents carefully mapped all mountain passes, caves, bridges,
highways, and located sights for underground factories, munitions
dumps, arms and food caches. To complete work on this fortress,
Hofer demanded a slave labor force of a quarter of a million, to
be composed of 70% Austrian workers and 30% men of the Tyrolese
home guard.

Page 2

So-called U-Plants were to be set up underground as gigantic
workshops and launching pads for the secret weapons which were to
turn the tide of the war in favor of the Nazis.

Among these were some 74 tunnels along Lake Garda, in
Northern Italy, which were to be adapted and transformed into a
vast assembly plant by FIAT of Turin in close collaboration with
the department of Minister Albert Speer. Seven other tunnels
along Lake Garda, near Limone, were to produce several weapons
tested at the Hermann Goering Institute of Riva del Garda.

According to the archives of the German High Command and of
the Allied Combined Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee, other
plants in vital areas of Central Germany, code named M-Werke, were
to produce powerful missles such as the giant A.9/A.10 destined to
destroy New York and Washington. But most important was the
Alpine area, for it was from there that the supreme weapons were
to come.

This report, never released by the Allies, was made by a
French diplomat. It was forwarded to Free French Intelligence
Headquarters at Algiers. The top secret report reffered to the
blue clouds as something approaching anti-aircraft projectiles
based on the grisou (fire damp) gas found in mines, and which had
been succesfully tried against other bombers over Lake Garda.

The French report was intercepted by Italian agents and
deciphered at SID (Italian Counter-Intelligence) Headquarters at
Castiglione della Stiviere. The message was later captured by a
military intelligence team operating for the eighth Army in Italy.

The contents of the message was no novelty to the Allies.
Already, some time ago, shortly after the bombing of Dresden,
British and American intelligence had obtained a brief account
concerning the use of some such weapon used against a group of
twelve American bombers.

That message, which came from an agent in Switzerland
attached to Allen Dulle's team, also stated the attacker had been

"a strange hemispherical object which flew at fantastic speeds
and destroyed the bombers without using firearms.'

Then, after the German surrender in May, 1945, a team of
British agents, investigating the files of some of the underground
factories in the Black Forest, discovered that a large number of
documents concerned 'important experiments made with LIQUID OXYGEN
for new turbine engines capable of developing extraordinary
power.'

Other documents described the use of 'gaseous explosives'
which had been originally tested in Austria in 1936. Their
existence was later confirmed by the ALSOS Mission and by Dr. Hans
Friedrich Gold, of the Laboratory for Aeronautical Research at
Volkenrode. The ejection of gas explosives had been part of the
program tackled by researchers on Lake Garda and later tested with
success by the circular flying object against Allied bombers. This
object, in German military files, already had an operational name:
'Round Lightning' (Kugelblitz).

Page 3

Long and close observation between the special Air Research
Corps of the SS, Austrian research centers in Vienna, the Hermann
Goering Works and the vast complex of underground G-Works had
previously produced ***Spamverdacht bitte melden *** improvement on the fireball or foo-
fighter which, despite it's anti-radar effectiveness, remained
comparatively harmless. But by combining the principle of the
aircraft with a round, symmetrical plane with direct gyroscopic
stabilization, employing an ejector-gun using grisou and a
gelatinous organic/mettalic fuel for a total reaction turbine,
adding remote control, vehicle take off, infrared seeking
equipment and electrostatic firing systems, the harmless fireball
became the lethal Kugelblitz!

Believe me, I can prove what I say (Vesco). The Kugelblitz,
to be on the safe side, employed, in addition to it's
electrostatic firing system, a similar system based on short waves
and built by the Patent Verwertungs Gesselschaft of Salzburg,
Austria. The whole thing formed one compact, round mass which had
absolutely nothing in common with any flying object ever produced
before.

In documents found by British Intelligence teams and
submitted to the British Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee -
documents which I have been able to study - these and many other
details are known. They can be found in the Sub-Committee's
Final Report Number 61 on the 'Weapons Section of the L.F.A.,
Volkenrode.'

Kugelblitz, together with it's "younger brothers of the
fireball, lens-shaped bomb and other weapons, began the real
history of the UFO's. In itself, it was a second generation
fireball.

The 'round lightning' weapon, the incredibly fast and
mysterious disk-shaped craft that had been rumored and sighted in
action, was used only once. As the Allied forces crossed the
Rhine, the only craft of it's type was destroyed by the SS on
instructions from Berlin, to prevent it's capture. But ever
since, due to the severe censorship imposed by 'T' force of the
British Army in Germany, and later, thanks to the complete
blackout imposed by London, nothing more was heard of "Round
Lightning."

I know that agents of the 'T' force camp at Bad Gandersheim
closely examined the documents found in the G-Works, documents
which had been elaborated by the technical general staff of the SS
and by technical control of the Henshel and Zeppelin works. These
documents concern the propulsion unit of the Kugelblitz prototype
built by the Kreislaufbetrieb Motor D.W. in 1943 for the F.F.K.F.
(Forschungsinstitut for Kraftfhart and Fahzeugmotoren) at
Stuttgart-Untertuerkheim and perfected by Professors Kamm and
Ernst.

The British called this motor an 'oxygen recycle system.' It
was later abandoned in favor of the Walter turbine, powered by
hydrogen peroxide. The documents found discussed the possibility
of using both systems in a compound-type propulsion unit.

To these basic facts, I must add: A mass of documents and
equipment were taken by British 'T' teams to Bedford and then to
Canada and Australia.


Page 4

In a certain sense, the British were more intelligent than
the Americans, for they permitted German scientists to complete
their work in Germany on the sight where they had worked all
through the war - only, of course, under close supervision. This
happened at Darmstadt and Goettingen.

Later on, these installations were dismantled and shipped to
Britain. The Transport Service of the British Ministry of
Aviation discreetly shipped the scientists and documents to
Britain, Canada and Australia, in successive phases. Lists of
the scientists to be sent overseas had been compiled in the spring
of 1944 by the B.I.O.S. and formed separate and specialized
teams.

One such team, composed of Proffessor Ben Lockspeiser and
W.J. Richards, Dr. S.H . Hollingdale and C aptain A.D. Green,
handled 'advanced projects, missles, jet and turbine craft.'
Another, including T.A. Taylor and M.A. Wheeler, investigated
German advances in the field of Thermo-refraction. Another team,
which obtained the services of Dr. Ernst Westermann, former
director of the F.D.R.P. Institutes of Speyer and Saarbrucken,
concentrated on the fireball projects.

The then Ministry of Aircraft Production, similar to the
German wartime Jaegerstab, ceased to exist officially on March 31,
1946, and became part of the Ministry of Supply.

In the years that followed, these teams, and especially the
experts headed by Professor Lockspeiser, worked on a multitude of
German projects, adapting these to their own experiments in the
field of 'suction' wings and on the work of two German scientists
during the war, Professors Prandtl and Busemann, to develop a high
speed fighter in which the air intake along the wings was
discharged through a half-moon-shaped crescent along the fuselage
in order to both drive and support the vehicle at high speeds.

This research comes to mind when one remembers the incident
of January 3, 1956. A Cessna, employed on a job of aerial
photography near Pasadena, encountered three circular flying
objects which circled it at a speed of 1600 mph and at a distance
of two miles. One of these objects, in suddenly breaking away
from the formation, gave off a long, vaporous trail as it sped
through a cumulous cloud, cutting the cloud in two. 'Exactly as
if it had sucked up the cloud., ' the Cessna pilot exclaimed
later.

Back in 1946, the British Broadcasting Corporation announced
that Britain 'would soon have aircraft capable of speeds well over
1000 mph, that, according to some experts, such craft had already
been built and that, in the near future, they could circumnavigate
the globe several times because they needed only fuel for take off
and landing..'

Other British sources mentioned aircraft capable of speeds of
several thousand miles an hour.

More than twenty years have passed since the otherwise so-
eminently-careful BBC boasted of 'Britain's planes of the future,'
and officially these aircraft still remain little more than a
dream. And yet, did not Ben Lockspeiser, the man who was in

Page 5

charge of the most responsible 'T' teams, declare that 'such craft
would need no fuel?' Did he not imply that such craft would gain
their own propellant from the atmosphere by suction and expulsion?

On June 26, 1953, an intensely luminous flying object
majestically crossed the night sky of Albacete, Spain, at an
altitude of 60 miles.

In Britain, scientific papers produced by members of the 'T'
teams showed suggestive titles such as 'Boundary Layer Flow Over a
Permeable Surface Through Which Suction is Applied' (J.H.
Preston), 'The Aerodynamics of Porous Sheets' by G.J. Taylor, and
Pankhurst's Aerofoil Catalogue.

In 1959, aeronautical engineer N.S. Currey wrote: 'Canada
today must be counted among the most advanced aeronautical powers
in the world', and added cautiously, 'This refers above all to the
field of jet propulsion.'

The Canadian Department of Mines and the Technical Surveys
Mapping Branch reserved a vast area - 125,000 square miles - for
production of experimental aircraft. This was one of the
decisions reached by the committees of the Commonwealth Conference
on Aeronautical Research. This desolate, heavily woooded and
mountainous region between British Columbia and Alberta, with the
Peace River district as it's Northern frontier and Washington
State to the South, was an ideal location - few and easily
controlled roads, few settlements, few railroads, but good
communications in the north and the south via the trunk line from
Prince George to Edmonton and that from Vancouver to the United
States border, and only one major highway, to Alaska.

Britain already had considerable wartime experiance in this
sort of enterprise. In 1942, at the height of the German raids,
the RAF had set up five secret airports in the very heart of the
New Forest, in Hampshire.

The big thing about these installations was the fact that
they included complete industrial plants, decentralizing major
groups essential for war production. They were called 'shade
workshops.' The Germans, too, had much experience in this field.
One of their major plants at Volkenrode resisted all attempts at
aerial identification throughout the war.

Neither the British nor the Americans, on an official level,
saw eye to eye in scientific matters at the close of the war
against Germany and afterward.

The United States' refusal to share atomic secrets with
Britain was never quite forgotten in Whitehall, and Britain set
out to prove, with Canada, that she was well able to produce her
own fission bomb. If Congress steadfastly accused the British of
giving little or nothing in return for information, the British
felt they had been mistrusted and severely neglected. They
preferred to go ahead with their plans in Canada.

The fact that the area has been photographed again and again
by high altitude reconnaissance planes, both U.S. and Russian,
does not perturb the Canadian or British authorities. The plants
and saucer ports are underground, hidden in primeval forests of
Columbia.

Page 6
The question immediately arises: Why have not Britain and
Canada made such craft available to their other partners in the
North Atlantic Treaty Organization?

I (Vesco) believe there may be many answers to such a
question, but one of the main points is this: Lack of confidence
and fear of being exploited remain rife among the nations, as they
are among people. And why should not Britain and her Commonwealth
partner retain one major trump card which, one day, may become
invaluable? The pooling of scientific secrets is rarely entirely
sincere.

All the evidence, all the knowhow of British scientists
before and during the last war, combined with the astounding
progress in propulsion and the discoveries in suction aircraft of
the Germans, based on 18 years of research into the most secret
documents of the past war, have convinced me of one thing :

The flying saucers do not come from space.
They come from a few hundred miles outside the United States.
They mean no harm, and Washington knows this.
Hence the long standing order to all U.S. Air Force pilots:
Intercept--but do not fire upon."

This article, which appeared in Argosy Magazine in August,
1969, is reprinted above in it's entirety. It is important
because it is one of the few reports that goes into detail about
the revolutionary technical advancements made by the Nazi's in the
field of aeronautical research.

Unfortunately, Vesco doesn't offer any real substantiation
for the existence of the Kugelblitz, which is the crux of his
subject. However, in his book "Intercept, UFO," he tells us that
the Kugelblitz was indeed tested some time in February, 1945 over
the great underground complex at Kahla, in Thuringia. Both the
Kugelblitz and the Feurball were then destroyed by the retreating
S.S.

If the Germans combined the Schauberger Implosion principle
(vortex "whirlwind") with the grisou (fire damp gas) and added the
Klystron exciter for the plasma drive system, then the Kugleblitz
is indeed possible.

In addition, another type of drive could be achieved by using
Tesla principles (available years before WWII) for such Tesla
turbines driven by liquid oxygen produced by Tesla Mechanical
Oscillators.

also alles was nicht mir Haaren bedeckt is, dient zur Wärmeabfuhr...also Gesicht, Mund, Nase. Oder schnell mal ne Runde im Eiswasser baden...

frieren tut er gar nicht...wenns zu kalt wird gehen die in Winterschlaf
wenn überhaupt dann so ab minus 40°C und darunter

So noch ne Frage:


Welches Flugzeug des 2.WK´s wurde auch "Volksjäger" genannt? Gesucht: vollständige Typenbezeichnung z.B. Bf-109 G/6

Heinkel He 162 A-2 Salamander?

Hätt ich auch gewusst...
*schmoll*

So wer hätte das gewusst ???
Gesamtlänge :
   

9.040 m
   
   

Höhe :
   

2.590 m
   
   

Spannweite :
   

7.200 m
   
   

Flügelfläche :
   

11.200 qm
   


Max. Startgewicht :
   

2690.0 kg
   
   
Leergewicht :
   

2050.0 kg
   


Leistungsdaten

Höchstgeschwindigkeit :
   

838 km/h

   
Gipfelhöhe :
   

12000 m
   


Flächenbelastung :
   

240.00 kg/qm
   
   

Reichweite :
   

975 km
   

Flugdauer :
   

1 h
   

Antrieb

Bauart :
   

Strahl
   
Typ :
   
BMW 003 E-1
   
Leistung (max.) :
   
800 kp

7848 N